Planetus
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 Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 03:48AM |
this is actually two questions, both of which have been asked before, but those topics generally degenerated into posters saying what they would like to see over and over again, or arguements on the value of tasteful (or tasteless) nudity. That being said, we have yet to hear much of an answer on either so:
1.) How undressed will our characters get? I'm not asking for nudity (though I'm sure a patch will probably appear soon for those that do), but will 'unarmored' be simple underwear (bra and panties, boxers or briefs), culturally specific sleep wear (full length wool body suits like you see from the 1780's, maybe something else for dwarves and elves), street clothes (simple, nondistinct, but effective and normal), class-specific dress (kind of like BG2 had, only in 3D), or something strange and wonderful I have yet to imagine ('unarmored' allies become ninja clown squirrels)?
2.)Will there be either the option or the opportunity to dress up? Will any plot or side-plot bring us to a formal banquet, ball, etc. where plate armor and wyvernhide leggings just don't cut it? Will we ever be thrown in prison or out on the street, or have to sneak through the poor quarter in such a way as to demand our characters dress appropriately? How much variety will there be between armor types? Will we be able to dress up our characters ourselves with stylish outfits and costumes, or will armor be ugly and effective?
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VonChalay
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SW: KotOR PC
Jade Empire:SE
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Joined: 13 Sep 2006
From: Planet Earth |
Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 06:55AM |
1) Whalebone corsets for the ladies and sheepskin long-johns for the gents I say! (That is assuming there are whales and sheep in TheDas).
2) Situational costume change requirements can certainly be easily implemented (in this case saying “easily” will not result in kitty death – they did it 4 times in KotoR; spacesuit, wetsuit, sandpeople robes and undergarment for 1st part of Lev) if they've written plot situations calling for it.
Whether there will be such situations as you described above, I guess only the devs can answer. Methinks the Proving Ground Arena is already 1 candidate for armour/clothing restrictions - culturally based dueling tends to be like that (e.g. Echani, BG2 druid grove etc.) - so it's dwarven lioncloths only all the way!
CheersEdited By VonChalay on 12/14/07 07:07 |
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leferd
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Mass Effect
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Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 07:19AM |
In Mass Effect, they had separate uniforms for the player character and party npc's when in-ship and out in the field. And *cough* a third non-issued wear for on-the-bunk apparel.
I wouldn't imagine that it wouldn't necessarily be the same for DA. It'd be hard to sleep comfortably in chainmail bikinis and scalemail when at the inn. |
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Juhy
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Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 12:49PM |
ugh, quests that need specific clothing (#2) are really annoying.. (or even NPCs that need you to look a certain way to say something)
I tend to miss them
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Lord_Trotwell
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Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 01:37PM |
I absolutely loved it in fallout 2, when the Vault city customs officer wen't hyper seeing me in my original vault 13 suit =)
Clothing affecting things in game is good, but I admid sometimes clothing related quest's seems to be bit artificial. |
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David Gaider
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From: Edmonton, AB |
Posted: Friday, 14 December 2007 04:27PM |
Quote: Posted 12/14/07 03:48 (GMT) by Planetus
Will there be either the option or the opportunity to dress up? Will any plot or side-plot bring us to a formal banquet, ball, etc. where plate armor and wyvernhide leggings just don't cut it? Will we ever be thrown in prison or out on the street, or have to sneak through the poor quarter in such a way as to demand our characters dress appropriately? How much variety will there be between armor types? Will we be able to dress up our characters ourselves with stylish outfits and costumes, or will armor be ugly and effective?
There are a couple of quests that I can think of where you have the option to disguise yourself in an outfit, but no "formal attire only" tea parties that I can think of (though that's a neat idea).
As for armor, there are indeed different types and variances within each. Whether one is prettier or more stylish than the other-- I guess that will be subjective. There is also regular clothing if you want to put it on, but wearing armor certainly isn't out of place in this environment.
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KDY-Worker1138
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Posted: Saturday, 15 December 2007 08:00AM |
Tangent : Speaking of armours could you please not follow the trend of Mass Effect, where only 1 or 2 sets of armour is useful and the rest is utterly useless, I almost pity the designer whom has worked for hours making the Survivor, assassin, Explore - Etc sets.
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Squire
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Posted: Saturday, 15 December 2007 07:27PM |
Quote: Posted 12/14/07 16:27 (GMT) by David Gaider
There are a couple of quests that I can think of where you have the option to disguise yourself in an outfit, but no "formal attire only" tea parties that I can think of (though that's a neat idea).
how about instances where having formal attire on isn't a requirement but might help you; like, for example, if you have to see the King, and he'd be more likely to be persuaded by you if you're decked out in finery than if you were still wearing your blood stained, sweat soaked armour that you slept in last night? (i.e. wearing formal attire gives you a +10 bonus to diplomacy skills in government buildings)
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Woolfsmck
Joined: 29 May 2007 |
Posted: Saturday, 15 December 2007 07:47PM |
Quote: Posted 12/14/07 16:27 (GMT) by David Gaider
There are a couple of quests that I can think of where you have the option to disguise yourself in an outfit, but no "formal attire only" tea parties that I can think of (though that's a neat idea).
I seem to recall that the game 'Arcanum' had an interesting attire selection and that the cost/quality of the the clothes affected attributes to a small degree. In fact there were multiple clothing shops some with high end items others with less valuable items.
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Lahazo
Joined: 03 May 2007 |
Posted: Saturday, 15 December 2007 09:44PM |
Quote: Posted 12/15/07 19:47 (GMT) by Woolfsmck Quote: Posted 12/14/07 16:27 (GMT) by David Gaider
There are a couple of quests that I can think of where you have the option to disguise yourself in an outfit, but no "formal attire only" tea parties that I can think of (though that's a neat idea).
I seem to recall that the game 'Arcanum' had an interesting attire selection and that the cost/quality of the the clothes affected attributes to a small degree. In fact there were multiple clothing shops some with high end items others with less valuable items.
Yep, Arcanum gave reaction bonuses to nice clothes. It also gave reaction penalties if you walked into a gentleman's club dressed like a barbarian. |
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Chokladglass
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Posted: Saturday, 15 December 2007 10:27PM |
Quote: Posted 12/15/07 21:44 (GMT) by Lahazo Quote: Posted 12/15/07 19:47 (GMT) by Woolfsmck Quote: Posted 12/14/07 16:27 (GMT) by David Gaider
There are a couple of quests that I can think of where you have the option to disguise yourself in an outfit, but no "formal attire only" tea parties that I can think of (though that's a neat idea).
I seem to recall that the game 'Arcanum' had an interesting attire selection and that the cost/quality of the the clothes affected attributes to a small degree. In fact there were multiple clothing shops some with high end items others with less valuable items.
Yep, Arcanum gave reaction bonuses to nice clothes. It also gave reaction penalties if you walked into a gentleman's club dressed like a barbarian.
If that is implemented, then it would only make sense to have some characters who would respond well to the bloodstained armour. Bandit leaders and such will not want to talk to some cowardly nobleman in silk and satin. Rob him perhaps, but not talk to him. 
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Tsuga C
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Posted: Monday, 17 December 2007 01:03AM |
As we'll be dealing with medieval fantasy, let's hope it's heavy on the medieval and light on the fantsy. NWN included too many over-the-top and just plain silly options in terms of arms, panoplies, and clothing.
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kormesios
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Posted: Monday, 17 December 2007 04:40AM |
I remember some older games would make a point of having you adopt a non-hostile attitude if you wanted to speak with people--which usually meant merely sheathing your sword, but it could be extended to not wearing armor or even carrying a sword while in a city/court/temple/etc.
It would really be a nice touch, IMHO, since it would change-up the tactical situations a party might face if they were attacked in 'civilized' areas. And if it were done consistently it would feel a lot less forced than simply adding one sub-plot where you can't take your ueber-armor.
Of course, doing it consistently would force it to be designed in from the beginning, which doesn't seem to be the case. |
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Woolfsmck
Joined: 29 May 2007 |
Posted: Monday, 17 December 2007 07:16AM |
Quote: Posted 12/17/07 04:40 (GMT) by kormesios
I remember some older games would make a point of having you adopt a non-hostile attitude if you wanted to speak with people--which usually meant merely sheathing your sword, but it could be extended to not wearing armor or even carrying a sword while in a city/court/temple/etc.
It would really be a nice touch, IMHO, since it would change-up the tactical situations a party might face if they were attacked in 'civilized' areas. And if it were done consistently it would feel a lot less forced than simply adding one sub-plot where you can't take your ueber-armor.
Of course, doing it consistently would force it to be designed in from the beginning, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Do what consistently? Getting attacked in town when you are 'pose to take off your armour and weapons?
I can't see how that make sense. I would simply take the reaction penalty and leave my equiptment on for a fight.
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Chokladglass
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Posted: Monday, 17 December 2007 07:19PM |
Quote: Posted 12/17/07 04:40 (GMT) by kormesios
I remember some older games would make a point of having you adopt a non-hostile attitude if you wanted to speak with people--which usually meant merely sheathing your sword, but it could be extended to not wearing armor or even carrying a sword while in a city/court/temple/etc.
It would really be a nice touch, IMHO, since it would change-up the tactical situations a party might face if they were attacked in 'civilized' areas. And if it were done consistently it would feel a lot less forced than simply adding one sub-plot where you can't take your ueber-armor.
Of course, doing it consistently would force it to be designed in from the beginning, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Good idea, I liked that in Divine Divinity for example. And it sort of makes sense, people usually don't like it when you talk to them while holding a giant sword ready (ehm, not that I've tried). 
Of course the wepon could be sheathed automatically when you aren't in combat, that's another solution...
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