Johnn Four
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 Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:15PM |
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This week, we feature two new cool epic character community contributions. Whirling Death was designed to maximize the odds of getting critical hits and doing massive damage against multiple melee opponents in a round. The Damage Adept was built around the concept of delivering the most damage in one hit with a scythe.
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OmegaAxis
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:17PM |
Is it just me or would only having 6 constitution on the damage adept would be a bad thing?
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WTFox
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:40PM |
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is the whiling death coutning on keen edge? because unless I am quite mistaken it wont work on the rapier (it being a piercing weapon, and keen edge only applying to slashing). Switch to the scimitar. |
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OmegaAxis
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 07:49PM |
Topic only up for 10 minutes and we are already dissecting the builds 
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Lockindal
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 08:43PM |
:frustrated:  Hey Tor, I was the one who told you to go 23 bard! Where's my dues?
hehe just kidding.
When are ya gonna start the community builds postings?
On a side note, the Damage Adept would do more damage if you moved CHA down to 28 and STR up to 14. Bad Torias, Bad!
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CrispyCritter
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 08:47PM |
Yeah, methinks the Whirling Death can be done better. I think the reason he went with rapier is because you get the proficiency free as an elf. Still, I'm not sure I see the point of only using 1 weapon. I would definitely dual-wield with this character, and if you don't want the -4 to AB for using medium weapons, you can always dual-wield kukris. Although the max damage on kukris is 2 points lower, if you're going for a template that kills everything with a dev. crit, it shouldn't make much difference.
Also not sure I see the point of going with Bard or RDD. You can get the same damage bonus from RDD by getting improved weapon spec, which only fighters have access to, and fighters get access to all types of armor and martial weapons, which is a nice bonus IMHO. As for Bard, I will grant that bard song gives you some decent bonuses, but I would think that if you really wanted to max your damage on enemies that were vulnerable to crits you would want some rogue lvls in there for the wicked sneak attacks.
If you want to pimp out your damage output against a large # of critical vulnerable peeps, your best bet is a 19 Rogue/14 Fighter/7 Weapon Master. Granted, with this character you don't have the advantage of being able to cast Keen Edge on your weapon, so you would have to make sure you were able to find dual kukris. I'd go Halfling with this build since Rogue is your highest lvl and Kukris count as light weapons even to Halflings. The wonderful thing about going Rogue is that, in addition to the sneak attacks and lots of skill credits, you also get some of the Rogue Special Feats, such as Crippling Strike (Stength damage on sneaks), Opportunist (+4 on attacks of opportunity), Imp. Evasion, and Defensive Roll.
In addition, the 14 fighter lvls you take get you another 8 feats, only 2 of which you would have to take in addition to the ones taken in the Whirling Death template. This nets you 6 additional feats with which to take Epic Prowess, raise your stats (take Great Str if you want more damage), or take Improved Sneak attacks for even MORE damage!!!
Granted, the Whirling Death chick looks pretty hawt in her little outfit there, but if you're going for sick amounts of damage I tend to think you can do better. I call this the Slasher template, and I'd put it up against that Whirling Death chick any day of the week. BOOYAH! |
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Torias
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 09:29PM |
community member builds are in the works, trust me. if you want to speed the process along, I can send you the excel sheet I used for planning and you can transcribe one or two of your best builds into that format for a quick edit check and submission to bioware 
the reason the whirling death only uses one weapon is because that's all that improved whirlwind attack will use. |
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Torias
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 09:51PM |
Quote: Posted 03/10/04 20:47:20 (GMT) by CrispyCritter
Although the max damage on kukris is 2 points lower, if you're going for a template that kills everything with a dev. crit, it shouldn't make much difference.
the 2 kukri death machine might be up next week, trust me, I already worked out that was the best way of doing THAT.
this build is focused on combined Devastating Critical with Improved Whirlwind Attack.
so that you can cut a swathe through a large crowd of enemies instantly
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Also not sure I see the point of going with Bard or RDD.
bard to qualify for rdd
rdd for the str, int and cha bonuses.
the str bonuses to qualify for dev critical
the int bonus to qualify for expertise, to qualify for weapon master
the cha bonus to cast level 5 and 6 bard spells (it's circular)
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You can get the same damage bonus from RDD by getting improved weapon spec, which only fighters have access to, and fighters get access to all types of armor and martial weapons, which is a nice bonus IMHO. As for Bard, I will grant that bard song gives you some decent bonuses, but I would think that if you really wanted to max your damage on enemies that were vulnerable to crits you would want some rogue lvls in there for the wicked sneak attacks.
ah, but fighters don't get +8 to str and bonuses to int and cha
trying to get, 25 strength, 21 dex and 16 cha, as well as decent scores for other stats is very difficult
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If you want to pimp out your damage output against a large # of critical vulnerable peeps, your best bet is a 19 Rogue/14 Fighter/7 Weapon Master.
problem is the character most likely wont be able to get 21 dex for improved whirlwind attack, which was the point of this build.
there is another build coming, which is fighter / champion of torm / weapon master, which does the dual kukri thing to awesome effect. |
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Torias
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 09:59PM |
Also note that there is a mistake in the damage Adept build, in that it can't actually memorise Bull's Strength with the spell slots available.
however the damage calculations also neglect to take Improved Power Attack and Defeaning Clang into account (which the character CAN use) so it ends up doing 55 more points of minimum damage on a critical smite than what is currently listed.
ALSO, a more effective version of the character was developed with cdaulepp's help yesterday, you can see it discussed and developed in this thread:
Click Here
Hopefully that thread might be linked in the Bioware Wednesday item itself with an update notice explaining cdaulepp's involvement in furthering the build to ultimate damage dealing capacity |
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lve2raft
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 10:03PM |
heyas torias, cool builds. How about taking a stab at making an uber munchkin player vs player killer that doesnt need to rely too much on spells?
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Torias
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 10:07PM |
Quote: Posted 03/10/04 22:03:42 (GMT) by lve2raft heyas torias, cool builds. How about taking a stab at making an uber munchkin player vs player killer that doesnt need to rely too much on spells?
I'll leave that to the people who actually know the ins and outs of pvp play... I've never actually played dedicated pvp really |
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 10:18PM |
Quote: Posted 03/10/04 20:47:20 (GMT) by CrispyCritter
Yeah, methinks the Whirling Death can be done better. I think the reason he went with rapier is because you get the proficiency free as an elf. Still, I'm not sure I see the point of only using 1 weapon. I would definitely dual-wield with this character, and if you don't want the -4 to AB for using medium weapons, you can always dual-wield kukris. Although the max damage on kukris is 2 points lower, if you're going for a template that kills everything with a dev. crit, it shouldn't make much difference.
snip * snip
If I am not mistaken, rapiers count as light (or it tiny) weapons in the off hand. It isn't good for this build to dual wield though.
What about using the arcane archer's ability to fire an arrow at everybody on the screen with dev. crit.? Getting improved critical longboe and shooting at everybody on the screen would be really tough, but it is a once per day thing.
Oh, and George said they are developing the fix for dev crit on bows.
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Jay Watamaniuk
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Posted: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 10:20PM |
Yup- excellent, juicy dicussion- love it!
King T is looking for some righteous epic character builds so we can add to your spankin' new Epic Character Builds page in the future. To speed to process along the detail required is pretty clear from the example builds we have up. I love doing the screens and latest Web Ninja Johnn is keen to correct any HoRRAbULL grammar I may inflict upon him I the process. |
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cdaulepp
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Posted: Thursday, 11 March 2004 04:14AM |
Quote: Posted 03/10/04 22:20:39 (GMT) by Jay Watamaniuk
Yup- excellent, juicy dicussion- love it!
King T is looking for some righteous epic character builds so we can add to your spankin' new Epic Character Builds page in the future. To speed to process along the detail required is pretty clear from the example builds we have up. I love doing the screens and latest Web Ninja Johnn is keen to correct any HoRRAbULL grammar I may inflict upon him I the process.
Jay, could we do what Torias suggests?
I found a way yesterday, and posted the character around noon, showing how to do 2135 pts of dmg., then after trading emails back and forth and discussing changing ending stats and choosing feats in a different order Torias tweaked out 10 more dmg. So Damage adept is good and all, but we had a better version of the build already posted on the forums on Tuesday.
Torias suggested the following:
Quote: however the damage calculations also neglect to take Improved Power Attack and Defeaning Clang into account (which the character CAN use) so it ends up doing 55 more points of minimum damage on a critical smite than what is currently listed. ALSO, a more effective version of the character was developed with cdaulepp's help yesterday, you can see it discussed and developed in this thread: Click HereHopefully that thread might be linked in the Bioware Wednesday item itself with an update notice explaining cdaulepp's involvement in furthering the build to ultimate damage dealing capacity
Since you are highlighting the best of the best on the featured Wednesday items, can you add a link to the better version Torias and I posted yesterday?
Thanks for consideration,
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sainteh
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Posted: Thursday, 11 March 2004 05:27AM |
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Hi guys, if I tried to make this character... I only get +3 skill points per level, yet Torias, you spend five per level at least. Am I doing something wrong? |
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